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Time to plot the plot...

Posted by bbbrrr Feb. 3, 2009 @ 7:07 PM EST

Wow...now that I read through it again, I realize-part three makes no sense, has no merit, etc. So it's gone. I shall begin the new part three ASAP, but it may take a bit, seeing as I have a script to write for my schools talent show. So, to please your eyes, PLOT TIME...YAY!!!!!!!

Alright-let me first say this. All of this, as what was in the previous posts...IS SUBJECT TO CHNAGE AT ANY TIME, MAINLY WHENEVER I FEEL LIKE IT...

There we go...

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This is based off a dream i had, but it will be majorly expanded.
A guy (middle brother) is working at this beach shack on a distant planet thats always summer. Its more like a restaurant you'd find just off the beach. Anyway, one day this girl, about his age walks in. He serves her and realizes they have everything in common, and he falls in love. However, she tells him that he must not follow her, so, like any guy would, he follows.

At the same time, another guy (big brother) has moved up in the ranks of where he works-and is now the bodygaurd for his boss's daughter. She makes him let her do whatever she wants, and he doesn't mind. He just hopes it will help him find what he wants.
Now, his boss is ambitious. His boss wants to destroy a few planets for what he says is the good of the universe. SO what ends up happening is that Baccus (BB) ends up believing what his boss is saying, and feels that that is his calling.

Malcolm (MB) finally catches up with the girl, only to find out that she had a reason for telling him to stay away-her father is an overprotective SoB. However, he won't take no for an answer. He follows her still, but ends up being captured by the girl's father's forces. Now why would he have forces-because hes going to BLOW UP SOME PLANETS!!!

Anyway, as you can tell, a conflict arises between Malcolm, who now wants to be with this girl AND stop her father and Baccus, who will stand by his boss...anyway, malcolm gets away and ends up on a movie set on one to the to be destroyed planets, and he uses it aas a base.

Meanwhile, Lawrence (LB) is a ghost...probably should've mentioned that he dies...but anyway, only someone who truly loves any of the brothers can see him, and after a short time with Malcolm (while he is still chasing the girl), he ends up by Baccus. Through the girl who Malcom loves, Lawrence is able to convince Baccus that what he is doing is wrong. The girl realizes she truly loves Malcolm (and can now see Lawrence) and the three try to take down The planet destroyer thing from the inside (while Malcolm and the film crew launch an attack on the outside. Lawrence was able to make these coincide).

They go up against the father, who gets Baccus back onto his side. Baccus and Malcolkm fight, and Malcolm loses. However, Lawrence is granted his body back and steps in. He is able to defeat his older brother, but shows him mercy in the end. Big Brother then runs off, with the girl (still haven't decided on a name for her) trailing. She finds out that he knows the plans and can blow the thing up. Malcolm fights the father dude while Lawrence tries to stop the planet destroying thing, which is firing on the planet where the filming (and now the fighting is taking place).

Baccus tries to shut down the device, but it won't work. Lawrence sees the way to shut it down, and sacrifices himself to stop it. Meanwhile, Malcolm has almost defaeted the father dude when the father dude uses a cheap shot to knock him out. He then sets about killing the people who are against him, but Malcolm wakes up, and challenges him again. Malcolm is able to win, and he, Baccus, and the girl flee before a self-destruct initiates. The girl and Malcolm end up together, Lawrence is no longer a ghost, and Baccus finds out that what he was missing was what he left to find out what he was missing. They all live happily ever after, except the ones who are dead...
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Yeah..so thats the plot...i guess...

Oh, and this is Ben Ranes-not yours. Comments welcome and appreciated...

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Feb. 3, 2009 | 7:17 PM LyricalRabbit says:

Did you really think I'd read that?

Feb. 3, 2009 | 7:31 PM bbbrrr responds:

No, I guess I didn't. Only the smart people read walls of text...


Feb. 3, 2009 | 7:48 PM LyricalRabbit says:

Oh, no, it's not that.
It's just that I don't care.

Feb. 3, 2009 | 8:41 PM bbbrrr responds:

But you cared enough to comment...twice?

I just don't understand humans anymore...


Feb. 3, 2009 | 8:48 PM 2ndFoxChild says:

oh plot the plot I get it(read it twice)

Feb. 3, 2009 | 10:46 PM bbbrrr responds:

wow...thats...um...wow...I can't even think of a word for that...

You, sir, have left me speechless. I congratulate you...but am still talking apparently...

Updated: Feb. 3, 2009, 10:46 PM

Feb. 3, 2009 | 11:09 PM 2ndFoxChild says:

I have 22 words for you NOT FREAKIN BELIEVABLE ( I already and just said the other words to help your speechless vaze):3

Feb. 4, 2009 | 7:40 AM bbbrrr responds:

hm...how to respond, how to respond...

I suppose a generic "thank you for the comments" would work...though...nah, forget it...


Feb. 4, 2009 | 5:27 PM GregoryGrub says:

Ok, it makes sense for the most part but near the climax it gets confusing and I don't know what to make of it. The Lawrence guy I don't understand the death logic with him. He dies, but he's a ghost, then he somehow comes back to life, only to sacrifice himself for everyone, only to then come back alive somehow which all I read at the end was that he is no longer a ghost, whatever that means. Wait does that mean that his soul is put to rest or some crap like that? I don't know ghostology that well, I find it kind of cheesy even in fiction. The problem with someone dying more than once is this: it devalues life in that universe. It turns into like Dragonball Z. It's like no big deal if he dies because he'll come back like Mario in the vid games. It also devalues the sacrifice because he's got lives to spare. I may have interpreted it wrong from what you meant but that's what I got from this plot outline.
Speaking of confusion, I'm not done. Baccus comes off as an unbelievable character. I know you based him on your older brother but I'll get to that subject later in the post. I just want to talk about his changing loyalties for now. Look at this last paragraph: "Lawrence is able to convince Baccus that what he is doing is wrong." (Ok so he's back on the good guys side)

But wait ---> "They go up against the father, who gets Baccus back onto his side"
(Ok, so he's a bad guy again)

And then you hit me with this-->"Big Brother then runs off, with the girl trailing. She finds out that he knows the plans and can blow the thing up" (Still bad, but look at this next part)
"Baccus tries to shut down the device"
What?! I thought he was running to blow it up. Did he have a change of heart while running to it? I understand you probably just didnt catch this loophole but regardless this switching loyaties thing makes him unstable and illogical. Sure maybe that's his character but geez he changes sides like 4 times in one night. That's way too much. It makes me not care about him. I'd rather see him get blown up. Characters can be illogical but at least give them some kind of pattern. Switching willy nilly is just confusing for everyone.

And the film crew thing? Where did that come from? Blowing up planets is like super evil. Darth Vaderesque. And Malcolm resorts to a film crew? Is it supposed to be a comedy? It doesn't make sense. That's not who you want to stop a planets from being blown up. At least get like some tough guys with practical weapons. What even happened to the film crew? They seem out of place. Where are they when the boys escape? Did he leave them for dead? Yeesh.

I have more...

About your characters. I see you're basing Malcolm and Lawrence on yourself and the others on real life people. That's okay, but now Im going to give you a little advice on that. Everyone bases characters on themselves in my writing workshops at FSU. I've done it too. It's not a bad thing to do. But it can limit you from fully seeing your story. You're basing this guy on your own experience and some things in your head don't fully get seen on the page. You want to be able to connect with your characters and have something in common with all of them but you should also want to be able to separate yourself from them so that you can step back and look at the whole thing objectively. You'll also be more willingly to let bad things happen to them. Bad things=Conflict=Story. So change things about them to make them not you. Whether that's hair color, physical appearance, personality traits, gender, where they live. You're doing that a little bit with the planets thing. But make them different than you. The same goes for Baccus as well. Does he look like your older brother? He shouldn't. It's a conflict of interest.

The character thing is probably one of the biggest things you'll struggle with as a writer. We want believable unique characters. Someone not like us at all, but someone we want to be. It's a fine line to walk.

Also the Lawrence Brentwood, Little Brother thing is not going to work I'll tell ya right now. You can keep the little brother name thing but matching the intials is obvious and it's just way too convienient for them. Especially all three of them. There are no coinicidences in fiction. Remember that. It all has a purpose, every word, every line. Which brings me to the other thing I wanted to discuss with you.

Filler. That's a dirty word. When I hear filler I think about those Full House episodes (or most sitcoms that have been on a while) where they all sit around the couch the whole time talking about their favorite highlights of the show. That's a filler episode. It's no fun because it lacks significance. The same goes with literature. You can't have any filler in it. When you acknowledge a part of your short story or novel or prelude as "filler" you're treating that part like it doesn't matter that much as the rest of the story. Readers hate that. I know I do. Why should I keep on reading? I dont want filler. Filler is crap. So get that word erased from your immediate vocabulary. In fiction, every single part, every word should matter. Always ask, does this advance the plot? Does this develop character? It has to answer yes to one of these. When I say develop character, I dont mean to tell us about them like you did in your post, not the info one but whatever part you labeled as filler. You can only develop character through significant action that pertains to the plot. This seems hard to do. It is. That's why not everyone can write. You have to do a million things at once without overwhelming the reader. It's insane when you think about it, but that's what your going to deal with on a daily basis. So no more filler, please.

And dialogue is a bitch. It's hard to do, I know. It needs to be realistic but at the same time it needs to be significant to the story. You cant have information conversations. If it doesn't move the plot forward or develop character it doesn't belong. Plain and simple. To learn how to write dialogue, I suggest listening to conversations that people have. Go to a coffee shop, sit within earshot of some people, and just write down the snippets of dialogue you hear from them. Don't just listen to the words. Notice the diction, the flow of the sentences, the little quirks that people have when talking. When you write dialogue, say it out loud to make sure it doesn't sound weird. Keep a notebook if you dont already do. Write down everything. Just write. It's good youre already writing down ideas in posts and stuff. Whew! Writing 101 is now over. I know this is incredibly long but hopefully some of it was helpful and I want people to succeed in writing since it's my major and all. Oh well. By the way I wrote a response on my page about some stuff you said. I didnt know if you checked it. Whatever. I'm probably going to lay off critiquing for a bit. I think I've covered everything except passive and active characters which is huge, but I'm gonna let you research that yourself. College is catching up with me and I got graded critiquing to do so, thanks for the practice once again. Good luck with the story and keep on writing. -Greg

Feb. 4, 2009 | 6:02 PM bbbrrr responds:

To make it easier on me, I'm going to go in order here.

Lawrence...he is in an astral projection like state, but he thinks hes a ghost...I just thought of that to solve that problem. He sees his body (um...have to think of how that one will work...) and enters it in order to stop Baccus. When he sacrifices himself, he is no onger a ghost-to put it one way, hes settled his unfinished business and can leave the universe to the great beyond or hevean or whatever the heck it is.

Baccus...Lawrence convinces him that what he did to Malcolm (the capturing thing) was wrong, and when Baccus finds out that his charge (the girl) is in love with Malcolm, he sides with her. However, Baccus still deep down believes in what the father dude is trying to do, but just doesn't know that Malcolm is against it. He goes with his brothers and the girl to face the father dude, but when he realizes that Malcolm is against the Father Dude's plan, he follows what he believes in-the father dude's plan. He fights and beats Malcolm, and is going to kill him, when Lawrence steps in. Lawrence beats him fair and square, but refuses to kill him-showing him mercy. So then Baccus, realizing that his family is right and is the most important thing to him, runs off, intending to shut down the device. The girl finds this out and helps him, but something goes wrong...yadda yadda yadda...Lawrence sacrifices himself,...yadda yadda yadda...

The film crew...once again, this comes from my dream...so it may not make the most sense, but the idea is that Malcolm flies to the closest planet. On it, he finds a film crew (run by Fernando from part two, so they know each other...). He saw parts of the plan, and knows that the planet he is on is one of the first to be destroyed by the device...so he and Fernando decide to mount a raid on the planet destroying thing. Remember, this is outer space, sci-fi. Who's to say that the special effects crew isn't equipped with mini nuclear weapons and stuff of the nature...I can make it work better, but thats just the rough idea...

Characters...ugh...I hate them so much. They aren't always the easiest to write. However, I am only basing Malcolm on myself-he is almost just like me, but maybe older, and more technological than I am. But I see your point. I can change some things about his personality to make him less me. As for Lawrence...well...he only looks like me. Personality wise, he is much more based off of a friend of mine...an immature but pure-hearted friend of mine, who is the kind of guy that you just want to see triumph in the end. Baccus...well, he's a combo between my brother and another friend of mine...And he really doesn't look like my brother or my friend....maybe a fusion of them...in a kinda twisted world...but thats it. And the initials thing-I actually did that on purpose, but I will define it as something the brothers made up when they were smart enough too...thats why poeple in the Short Story refer to them by initials, but in the novel by name.

Filler...I call it that for lack of a better word. Most of the time, when I say filler, I mean it hasd little to do with the plot. Thats what I mean. That is my (admitedly lame) definition of filler. If I put in filler, it is almost always used for character developement, or to show a certain point. For example, in the Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy series, there are quite a few chapters that focus on seemingly random planets or entries in The Guide. However, you can relate every single one of those to an event in the immedeate past or future in the series, save for maybe two. I say two because I can think of only one, but some of them esape me...but they always serve a point. Whetehr it is character developement, or to introduce an idea, they are useful. But I would call them filler, by my definition, though I suppose that they (technically) are not.

Like I said...I HATE WRITING DIALOUGE...it just never comes naturally to me, unless its Tom Swifties...and they get old fast...But that is a great idea...just listening to conversations...

Thank you for the comments, and thank you even more for not bringing up active vs passive...I don't want to deal with that the moment...bad enough I have to eliminate "Taboo Verbs" (to be, to have, to get, or to do) in my english class or I loose a decent percent...


Feb. 4, 2009 | 6:59 PM LyricalRabbit says:

I'm quite sorry about my previous comments.
I was in a bad mood, couldn't sleep, and relished every piece of human communication I could find. Still, that's no excuse. Sorry once again. :)

Feb. 4, 2009 | 7:49 PM bbbrrr responds:

It don't matter to me. I tend to not take offence to most things, and its not like you said anything overly offensive.

Besides...I've heard a lot worse than "I just don't care"...

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